Norton & AVG do not cooperate with Vista well....yep, had them both for a long while...and I hate to tell you how many background apps and services they both run... get a free something like spybot and forget the packages....runs well with defender and..oh yeah..my startup time is less than 70 seconds...on vista...took me a while to configure this well, so really I don't care if anyone disagrees at all...came on this site to see if anyone else has figured out how bad these programs are with windows now...as for me, I'm set...