And?????? - indologist2005-info

Indeed, what a mess - and I'm not going to try to make sense out of it. It may be clear to the programmer, but it's plainly indecent to offer such a thing to the public. I refuse to even try to use it.

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Saturday, May 23 2009 @ 02:13 PM PDT

And?????? - chockyII

So, you read and understood the documentation prior to posting your comments?

This is a CROSS PLATFORM application that will run on Windows, various flavors of Linux and Unix as well as OS X. For the software to run you will need to have X11 installed (it comes on your Mac system discs) as well as the Mono framework which can be freely downloaded at "http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html".

The disrespectful thing here is giving a product 1 star without trying it and blaming your own lack of understanding on the developer. I'll just stop now before this becomes a rant.

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Saturday, May 23 2009 @ 08:46 PM PDT

Re: And?????? - darqsoft

Hello, I represent Darq Software, the creator of Transmute. First let me apologize for misunderstanding the specific needs of the Mac community. Transmute was ported to OS X because of requests by users. There was no attempt to "cheat" anybody with this *freeware*. And certainly no disrespect was intended at all. However, I assure you that Transmute is not a mess and a lot of care was put into making sure that as many people could run it as possible. Please at least try the software before you codemn it.

As chockyII explained (thank you), Transmute is a rarity among programs in that it is cross-platform compatible due to being developed for the .NET/Mono Frameworks. I personally do not know of many (any?) other popular programs that even make the attempt. This has the benefit of allowing the program to be run across Windows, Linux, OS X, BSD and other operating systems. The drawback is that the application is not native to any specific platform thus not everything will be exactly as you're used to. In the case of OS X this has manifested itself in the following ways: 1) To run Transmute you will need to have the Mono Framework installed. And to have Mono installed you need to have X11 installed (available from your OS X installation CD). 2) The application itself is packaged differently than you might be used to. This is because the same exact package is designed to run across any of the previously mentioned platforms. If there is demand, an OS X specific version could be made. However, this is easier said than done.

To run Transmute Portable, on any platform, consists of the following: 1) If not already present, install the target framework (usually .NET on Windows, Mono on other platforms) and any dependencies (X11 on OS X, WinForms 2 library on Linux). 2) Extract the files from the package. 3) Execute "Transmute.exe". If using the .NET Framework the executable can be run directly, while Mono requires the executable to be run through the "mono" program (typically via the terminal). For example, "mono ~/Desktop/Transmute/Transmute.exe" (Replace the path with one reflecting where your files are actually located).

In conclusion, while Transmute may be "different" please don't mistake it for indifference. If there is interest from the OS X community then the Transmute experience on the platform will continue to improve. Any constructive comments or suggestions are always appreciated. For more information, including the Transmute FAQ, please visit http://www.gettransmute.com. Thank you.

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Monday, May 25 2009 @ 09:41 AM PDT

Re: And?????? - bgrubb

If you make people jump through hoops to get your program to run then you have FAILED a key part of crossplatform development: KISS. Though, in this case we have more a case of Keep It Simple, Stupid rather than Keep it Short and Simple.

If you are going to support Mac, Windows, and Linux why in the name of programming not go with a language that can run on all three--namely Java. Especially when you are simply converting bookmarks (as opposed to something like allbookmarks that effectively replaces the bookmarkers of your various browsers). Look at OpenOffice as an example of something that can at respectable speeds across all three platforms.

I tend to play with Darwine a lot and I have found anything with NET to be the biggest pain in the rear to run so why put it in something that is intended to be crossplatform in the first place?!?

Sure using Mono makes things a little easier but Mono is not the sharpest knife in the toolshead in terms of mac usage: the Mono homepage itself states to run a mono program you need to open the terminal and do mono myprogram.exe. Sigh, if we Mac users wanted to play with terminal commands for supposedly crossplatform programs we would dump the whole Finder interface and just run Darwin.

UltraKiss shows another alternative to this--simply have a little program for each of the platforms involved that does the needed handling for the OS involved to load the program. So you have a 120 kb (not that is NOT a typo--120 KILOBYTES) mac file, an equally small windows .exe file and .jar for everything else (UltraKiss is a java program after all).

But do see see of of these totally reasonable methods with this? No. Instead we see something on par with a Star Trek fanfic where Klingons celebrate their receiving a ship full of Tribbles as a peace offering.

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Friday, July 03 2009 @ 05:52 PM PDT