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Bento

Personal database to organize contacts & photos, track projects, plan events...

Version:  3.0.1

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Bento is Rubbish

Feedback Type:  Review

Contributed by: andyotter Sunday, October 19 2008 @ 12:06 AM PDT

Product Platform: MacOSX

Used Product For: 1-6 months

I run a small business and make a lot of use of the way the data flow from Mail > (iCal+) Address Book > iWork (Pages/Numbers) is so smooth.

I bought Bento1 in Sep after spending Aug trialling it. I had discovered 1.0v2 was barely beta quality but persevered cos I wanted the Address Book/iCal interactivity and trusted that FM would make this the package it should be.

Now FM has made it clear they intend to return nothing for Bento1 loyalty, I'd like to take a several lines to detail just how shoddy a product Bento is in the hope that:
a) More Bento sufferers detail "Bento Balls Ups" in 1-star reviews, so that
b) NO-ONE else gets lured into buying this fiasco, and
b) Someone involved in iWork software realises the potential for building a true OS X database app into a future "iWorkPlus" suite ( a ClarisWorks 2010 if you will!)

FIRST the Major Advantages
Bento
+ links interactively with Address Book and iCal
+ allows expansion of Address Book and iCal by adding new fields

SECOND, just one example of how truly dysfunctional Bento is (these people make M$ software look seamless!). This example follows an attempt to use Address Book and iCal data to set up an invoice:

X AddressBook/iCal data can only be used as Related Records in another "Library" (=DataTable in Database parlance) with VERY limited interrogation capabilities. Imagine you wanted to have a Library for Invoices. You'd want to link to an Address Book Group called "Clients", perhaps? You might expect to be able to put the client's Name (first + last) in a field ,right (dynamically, so when you change client details the invoice changes)? Silly you! The best fudge Bento will allow is a spreadsheet-style table to be inserted, a minimum of three rows deep, with fixed font-size around 9pts. Rubbish.

X Aahh, but surely you can create a Calculated Field in your Invoices relating to fields in your Address Book/other Library? Very True - as long as you can find a use for the Sum/Count/Avg/Min or Max of your client's surname! Rubbish.

X But hey, you've read that Bento can export data, right? Surely, you can pull all this useful stuff together in another package like iWorks' Pages or Numbers? Foolish Child! - Bento will export each and every field in the single Collection (= a simple SELECTion from a Library) you want to export, but nothing from the other Libraries you have related records for. Oh and it's only in .csv format. So your Invoices.csv contains all those fields you don't particularly want to see for this task, but not the Client's name 'cos that belongs to Address Book. Oh, isn't this fun?!

X You'd like to put your logo on the invoice, right? Forget it, not possible - unless, of course you want to enter it in an image field separately on every invoice. Redundancy or what?!

X There IS thankfully, a solution to this: Go to Print, Save As PDF, Buy some app which allows you to alter pdf's and you're nearly there! Seamless, huh?

THIRD, realise that the above is just a part of the myriad ways that Bento is
rubbish. Buy it and you'll waste hours looking for solutions because you can't believe they haven't thought of That Obvious Thing, only to discover they haven't!

LAST, a promise: if some people find this essay helpful, I will trial Bento2 to confirm it's still rubbish (then use Time Machine to return to the paradise that is Bento1!) and report back   
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Bento is Rubbish - ercross

Andy, I find your review dead on and let me encourage you to do the review of Version 2. I tried it and went back to Version 1. Conceptually, I love the ability to have it integrated with Address Book and iCal, but as you point out, you constantly hit roadblocks.

The new version I don't find much better, it is promoted as having improved printing capabilities, but sadly these are only things that should have already been in the program and they don't even go far enough. The whole thing reminds me of someone who says you can print your database by hitting print screen. Next version you can limit it to the database window and maybe next release we'll even let you set a margin.

What is even sadder is these are the people that make Filemaker, I can't believe that they are unable to take some of the basic functionality of Filemaker and easily incorporate it into Bento, without this tiny peace-meal functionality improvements. At this rate, we might see a useable product by version 10.

My summation of tech support is just as bad, but I am not sure that it is the fault of the tech support personnel themselves, but a debilitating system that they are working under. History from the user forum with version 1 shows that bugs are simply passed along to the developers to be incorporated into a future full priced upgrade, instead of periodic bug related updates. There has been no public commitment to fix bugs other than ones that create data corruption for version 1 users, yet they claim to still support version 1.

Feature frustrations from users are usually handled in the form of a manual work around if possible with a suggestion being sent to the developer team for future upgrade consideration.

There has been documented even some features that were lost from version 1 to version 2 with no mention of it in their ads. From the forum these were by design.

This entire product reminds me of a lot of shareware that is developed as an add-on to existing products that provide severely limited, but targeted functionality. And I am not disparaging these shareware apps as they provide some pretty nifty capabilities, but they are usually around $10 to $20.

Let the buyer beware, if you purchase Bento you will find yourself in the position that many of us earlier adopters found ourselves in, with great hopes that the product would fill a void only to find out that it doesn't quite make it and always waiting for it to be improved or at least fixed. Don't hold your breath!

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Thursday, October 23 2008 @ 08:02 AM PDT


Bento is Rubbish - andyotter

I agree entirely with your comments about both the forum and the shareware nature of this product.

On the first, I went to the forum with high hopes only to quickly conclude there were to be no solutions there, only the beleaguered "TSGal" saying she'd pass on the comment to the developer. It seems you develop a Bento in the same way as you do a headache...

On the second,quite so, once you scratch the surface gloss off, Bento feels like one of those bedroom projects from someone who only realised AFTER he released the beta just HOW much effort it was going to take to make it REALLY work. Then he went back to his day job...
Hey, maybe Bento is just a FileMaker testing ground? - if the "developer" does good work, they promote her to a proper project!

Oh, thanks for the encouragement, btw. I shall pencil "waste day on Bento2" into iCal. Right next to "Tell MacWorld reviewer to lay off the Prozac"...

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Thursday, October 23 2008 @ 12:49 PM PDT


Bento is Rubbish - info3982

You could have said in your comments on Bento 1 that a limitation to it is that you could not see or change the database beyond two years. Has this changed in Bento 2? That's one example of an worthwhile review and/or flaw in the program. Instead you chose to tell all of us in great detail of the trouble that just trying Bento was for you. Spare us the agony, please!

Sadly though, I don't disagree with your conclusions. Bento is a black eye on Filemaker and the only good thing I could say about it so far is that it reveals how bad Apple's Calendar program database really is.

If you are a M$ Entourage convert, you know that data from Entourage imported into Calendar/Addressbook heavily screws up the latter. Bento1 exposes that cra**ed up data to some extent. Fixing it however is another story.

Bento2 has been some improvement in that regard and some others, but is it worth $50 (not $100) discounted price? Probably not. At list , definitely not! I will try it for about five minutes.

This reminds me of the fated Filemaker Mobile that they put out year after year not fixing bugs but simply extending the functionality to newer versions of the mother program for silly Palm users (and I was one!). Probably the same team wrote Bento. Silly us for buying.

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Wednesday, October 29 2008 @ 04:23 AM PDT