Marketcircle is comprised of displaced NeXT developers, and like all NeXT developers, they stopped learning somewhere around 1988 and lash out violently at anyone who dares to suggest that maybe the way they’re used to doing things isn’t best.
I came to know Daylite by hearing other consultants talk about it incessantly. I tried it out, fell in love with it for about two days, and then fell out of love with it once I started attempting to exercise some of its more “advanced” features and found them to be so horribly implemented as to render the application completely unusable for me.
I submitted detailed bug reports; no response. I submitted support requests; no response. I took their “Certified Partner” exam; no response. Finally, after four months of constant email hounding and phone calls, someone at Marketcircle actually looked at my test and told me I’d passed.
Being a “Certified” Marketcircle “Partner” entitles one to join a private mailing list where one can actually communicate with Marketcircle employees directly, though in reality, Alykhan Jetha, the company’s founder, is the only active internal participant. Finally, I had a chance to get answers to some of my nagging questions, like “why can’t I print appointments, events AND notes on the same report?” The response I received was a little disheartening; although Daylite developers know a lot of programming buzzwords like “polymorphism,” they do not know how to put them to practical use in a real-world application. Even though all of your calendar, appointment, to-do, and note objects implement a subset of identical messaging protocols which would allow any sane developer to allow users to easily print object of heterogeneous types out on a single report, this is heresy for Mr. Jetha. His actual response was something along the lines of “if you make everything polymorphic, why even have an app?”
Why have an app? Well, because most people can’t type syntactically correct SQL queries as quickly as they can click on items in a list. The real question here is “Why buy this app?” and that’s the one I couldn’t answer, for myself or for my clients. Granted, one can achieve my lofty goal by writing some really ugly F-Script (the implementation of which is little more than a cop-out for developers who are too lazy to build an actual AppleScript dictionary in this case) or by (surprise, surprise) giving Marketcircle even more money to build a custom report for me. Call me kooky, but I’m of the opinion that applications which cost hundreds of dollars per seat should live up to their price tags in terms of quality, and Daylite’s convoluted DIY UI simply does not.
And what about those “Certified Partners” you might be tempted to hire to evangelize you back into the Marketcircle way of thought? I was only on the list for about a month, and I most certainly did not have an opportunity to converse with every member, but most of the messages posted to it indicated a profound lack of even the most rudimentary Mac troubleshooting knowledge, and frankly, I was a little ashamed to be a member of this secret society of sad little salesmen.
Then 3.5 rolled out and the list was awash in reports of people’s iCal calendars and Address Book contact lists being obliterated thanks to Daylite crashing non-stop and all Mr. Jetha had to say was “Hurrrrr you runned out of memories hurrrrr...” He and his engineers are, in my opinion, idiots, and one should not expect Daylite to improve anytime soon. Unless you’re already completely entrenched in the product, don’t give them money and don’t hire their partners to come over and convince you to give them money even though their software sucks. Oh yeah, and don’t bother reporting bugs.
Daylite
Shared calendar, contacts, projects, meetings, notes & more.
Version: 3.9.5
If you aren't embarrassed by something you wrote 10 years ago you've stopped improving
Feedback Type: Commentary
Contributed by: khiltd Tuesday, September 25 2007 @ 11:25 AM PDT
Product Platform: MacOSX
Used Product For: 1-6 months
Recommend Product: NO
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One thing I must admit: - busybeingborn
DL developers really think in a very strange, quirky way. I never knew where this quirky way of thinking came from - NEXT may be the source of it.It took them YEARS to implement Sync Services, i.e. Address Book and iCal integration + syncing. My email contact showed me that they didn't really want to and had little interest in it. Even now they didn't succeed in syncing notes, which means: you can use DL for your appointments & todos (iCal does the same) and contacts (= Address Book). That's it. Why pay for this? Everything beyond (Mail integration) is no use if you want to carry your work with you on a 2nd Mac.
I payed for DL. I had deleted DL after a year (no way to get your data out of this app to use them in others!). I tried 3.5 for a week. And deleted it again.
PLEASE tell me a *good* alternative; I've had enough of searching, trying, trashing (SOHO, NUD...). Thank you very much!
Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 02:36 AM PDT
If you aren't embarrassed by something you wrote 10 years ago you've stopped improving - khiltd
And just in case you think I'm insane, here are some choice excerpts from a very long and very angry email I received from a Marketcircle partner who thinks he's going to sue me for the crime of posting a negative review of his little clique:
Need a custom report ... hire Marketcircle, hire a report-certified consultant (which we are) or take their class on report writing. This is nothing new! Report writing has been a speciality field for many, many years.
Look at any of the Windows CRMs, Goldmine, ACT etc, there are a plethora of third-party applications to perform activities that the base application does not. And for a lot of money. Now that said, I concur that there should be some more built-in functionality. However, I don't know what you do for a living, but I am certain that if one of your clients, colleagues or vendors talked to you the way that you have communicated via your email and web postings, you would be furious. I give Marketcircle kudos for the way in which they first tried to be helpful to you and then when you started getting out of control, they excluded you from the program. I would have done the same.
This is slanderous! I can tell you that many of the partners are good friends of mine, Certified Apple consultants and I can attest to their abilities. And I am certain about MY qualifications! Should this slanderous attivity continue I will take action and I guarantee that you will lose.
Again ... this is slanderous and actionable. I advise you to think about what you post in the future.
Respectfully,
[Some Random Dip]
What Mr. Dip here fails to see (or perhaps sees all to well) is that the doubtlessly awesome skills of a certified report engineer (or whatever other self-congratulatory term they want to apply to themselves for sitting through a day long F-Script seminar) wouldn't be necessary at all if the UI were adequately designed in the first place. Wouldn't that be a crying shame if someone killed that sacred cash cow? Better keep the interface stuck in the Hypercard crazed 80s so people will keep paying you to rationalize their purchases for them, otherwise they might find out about cheap-to-free web-based groupware solutions that do these things right out of the box.
He also seems to have a problem distinguishing between a hyperbolic retelling of a profoundly negative experience with a software vendor and libel, but it's probably not his fault he's watched a little too much Ally McBeal. People who are certain of their qualifications don't generally feel the need to spend a lot of time justifying themselves to other people whom they don't like, but I guess I'll just have to sit here and wait for the process server to show up and take me to internet crybaby court so I can learn to love the way Daylite destroys its users' data as much as I should.
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Monday, October 01 2007 @ 11:19 AM PDT