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LilyPond

LilyPond

Automated music notation & engraving system.

Version:  2.12.2-1

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A big leap in the wrong direction – and an alternative GUI suggestion.

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Contributed by: zimbop Wednesday, May 10 2006 @ 10:57 AM PDT

Product Platform: MacOSX

Used Product For: 1-6 months

Recommend Product: NO

Try Finale Notepad (also freeware) instead. Totally GUI, free, and the starter program in the series that leads to Finale, the most powerful score writing program of all, and the one used by the majority of professional music engravers.

I really don't like this coding approach. I use BBEdit to write HTML, CSS and PHP by hand, and even I can see that music engraving is one place that you don't want to use code. Music really benefits from GUI, using something like Finale Notepad gives you true WYSIWYG.

Of course there are many text/CLI/non-GUI tools which are essential (bash, vi, pico etc.) but I personally wouldn't put LilyPond in that category, it's heading in the wrong direction IMHO.

One thing that really concerns me about this project is that the developer states "Don't waste time with tweaking the output; LilyPond gets the formatting correct right from the start." As a professional music engraver myself I can tell you that this is very far from true, Lilypond produces clashes of many kinds, there are problems with slurs and note flags colliding with other elements – and there's precious little that you can do about it.

If the developers believe that LilyPond is getting these things right, then it's unlikely that these things will ever be fixed and that's a big problem, or maybe they're just "bending the truth", which is another problem.

IMHO LilyPond promises the Earth but fails to deliver. There is a decided lack of notation samples on their site, why is that? Perhaps it won't match up the exaggerated claims. I understand the need to be enthusiastic about your work, but distorting reality this much just wastes peoples time when the delivery falls way short of the promise.

My advice would be, if you like to tinker with programming and get involved in an exciting project where you can be hands on with development and contribute your own ideas, give LilyPond a go. If you want first class music notation look elsewhere and allow Lilypond to mature into an application that actually delivers what it says - one day.   
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7 comments |

Finale Notepad instead of LilyPond?!? - Ulrich Kapp

Finale Notepad is very easy to use, OK, but do you really think you can engrave complex music in a demandable quality?

Are you in earnest?

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Thursday, May 11 2006 @ 01:29 PM PDT


A big leap in the wrong direction – and an alternative GUI suggestion. - zimbop

I'm suggesting for people who want a free music engraving application to try Finale Notepad and see if it meets their needs, not everyone needs to produce an orchestral score.

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Friday, May 12 2006 @ 02:10 PM PDT


A big leap in the wrong direction – and an alternative GUI suggestion. - Ulrich Kapp

> "... not everyone needs to produce an orchestral score."

But thats what LilyPond is primarily for, and you suggest to use Finale Notepad as a likewise free software in your feedback to LilyPond.

Your arguments are self-contradictory!

Pls. name only one free notation software wich can really reach LilyPonds features and stbility and I will apologise for my preceding posts.

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Saturday, May 20 2006 @ 08:18 AM PDT


A big leap in the wrong direction – and an alternative GUI suggestion. - Ulrich Kapp

> "... not everyone needs to produce an orchestral score."

But thats what LilyPond is primarily for, and you suggest to use Finale Notepad as a likewise free software in your feedback to LilyPond.

Your arguments are self-contradictory!

Pls. name only one free notation software wich can really reach LilyPonds features and stbility and I will apologise for my preceding posts.

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Saturday, May 20 2006 @ 08:19 AM PDT


A TeX Approach to Notation?!?! No Thanks! - Billsey

So, the coders try to attract professional engravers by telling you, “Don’t listen to that Professional Engraver!” How curious! Now, according to them, in order to print out the best sheet music you not only need to be a professional engraver, you also need to ignore, perhaps even ridicule, the advice of professional engravers, be an accomplished programmer, and put up with a GUI that is deficient enough that others try to replace it by “rolling their own”, so to speak.

You can count me out.

While I am not a professional engraver, I have tried my hand at composing (including over 50 hymns) and I know something of the output of Finale products. Those who have problems with performing what I write have those problems because of what I wrote—not because of what Finale output.

If you really want to win people over you need to start by ceasing the practice of distorting the truth and starting the practice of improving your own product. This is not an election campaign; you don't win by slandering the competition.

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Sunday, November 12 2006 @ 05:01 AM PST


A big leap in the wrong direction – and an alternative GUI suggestion. - themacguru

I totally agree. The guts of the application shouldn't be dumped in the users' lap!
Belongs in the dark ages of DOS.

I suspect the creator(s) of LilyPond lack the skills to apply a GUI to their product...

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Sunday, November 12 2006 @ 09:34 AM PST


A big leap in the wrong direction – and an alternative GUI suggestion. - Marnen Laibow-Koser

So what if they do lack the skills to create a GUI? Any other programmer could create a GUI for Lilypond; in fact, there have already been some attempts along these lines. The Lilypond project is only focusing on the input language and rendering engine. A GUI is explicitly not part of its mission.

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Friday, January 05 2007 @ 09:24 AM PST