Well Bad luck Apple! All of our installed data base of servers have decided not to purchase ARD again unless an upgrade path is made available to them. - They have now relegated ARD to the OSX server upgrade path - Every 3-4 years if then depending on something else coming along that dose the job comparably - Not that we dont like the product quite the opposite - Our clients refuse to purchase software again and again - None of our clients will buy OSX server again until they Upgrade their hardware every 3-4 or more years - So Apple looses potential upgrade sales for 3-4 or more years until the hard ware no longer supports the software and we have to upgrade - Usually after depreciation kicks out - Apple could have tens of thousands of dollars additional cash flow each year simply by offering an upgrade for these two products alone - Instead they have to wait up-to 5 years for the cash flow - It just doesn't make financial sense - 5 years is a long time to keep your clients interest - You had better make sure nothing new comes along cause you will loose them forever - Instead you could keep them interested with an upgrade every 12-18 months and they would stay with you for ever - And improve your cash flow each year - The idiot in Marketing that came up with the current "Upgrade" strategy should be sent back to "think different" Camp.