Re: rhullet;s review, I am also having applications quitting and APE is always showing up in the crash report. This seems to have started about the time of the latest version of APE, 1.4.5. This is also happening on a drive that I have not used as my boot drive until yesterday. I have now turned APE off which leaves me without two very useful applications, mightymouse and windowshace...damn..I sure hope it turns out to be caused by something else. keith