Existing users, 
This'll be my last word on this. If you want to continue the discussion with me, fine, but come find me and we can continue in e-mail if you like. I'm not that hard to find. :)
I'm sorry you feel a need to defend Unsanity with personal attacks on anyone that would dare to criticize or question them. That's too bad. And no, I don't do this behind their back. This conversation has been had on the carbon list as well and between Rosyna and myself.
It's simply not true that apps that patch have never impacted other apps. You don't have to believe me, then ask the developers. I can find numerous examples of instances where Default Folder for example has caused problems. Likewise with many of the Haxies. Just read the release notes, or macfixit or even just ask the developers like Unsanity. And please, let's not make this personal. I know very well how code injection works. It's no secret, you can go read wolf's papers yourself if you want.
Again, it just amazes me that you'll put up with this kind of stuff like "incompatible app exclusion lists". That's just bring OS 9 back to OS X. It's it really worth it to have some old OS 9 feature that isn't in OS X? Must be, these things are enormously popular. sigh
All I want is disclosure. If you want to risk code that patches fine. But most users probably don't and don't understand the risks of software like this. (And don't blame "lame dumb users". The idea, the beauty of OS X, is that you don't have to a programmer to use it. You shouldn't have to read wolf's papers and understand mach ports, you shouldn't have to figure out on your own that Haxies are patching.) Average users simply blame crashes on OS X or the app when instead its the thing patching. And yes, this has happened. many developers on the carbon list have talked about getting bug reports only to find that it was a haxie or default folder. Unsanity is not made up of perfect programmers. Good programers yes, probably even great programmers. I just choose to disagree ethically with the code they write.
Last note: no I have never intalled any haxie, but the VT interface doesn't have an option for "never used" for the "Used Product For" pop-up. I have to choose something, so I choose one day.
WindowShade X
Bring back your ability to window shade finder and application windows.
Version: 4.3
Hmm...
Feedback Type: Commentary
Contributed by: Bryan Pietrzak Friday, August 29 2003 @ 08:52 AM PDT
Product Platform: MacOSX
Used Product For: One Day
Recommend Product: NO
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Huh? What's with this diatribe? - it's only me
Geez, take a drink of water and go out and get some fresh air.Were you tormented by a "dumb computer user"
when you were a child? :-)
Friday, August 29 2003 @ 05:12 PM PDT
Hmm... - fazzari
I agree that Default Folder causes problems - I've tried it out on my own machine and run into several of them. But I don't see what that has to do with WindowShade X. Unsanity doesn't even make Default Folder. Of the products they do make, I use FruitMenu, WindowShade X and Xounds. I don't exclude any apps, and I've never had a problem with any of them. They don't make my computer run slower. They don't cause kernel panics. All they do is give me a functionality that Apple no longer provides. I honestly don't understand why you are so vehemently against a company whose products you admit you've never used, just because you've had a bad experience with a product made by someone else.Saturday, August 30 2003 @ 02:06 AM PDT
Hmm... - dozx
IMHOI don't see how you can comment when you have not tried the software. Speculation and reports and knowing what it does and how it does it is not real world use.
and yes it is patching I never said it wasn't it does so on a per app basis THIS IS NOTHING like OS 9 where patching was rather and unfortunately inter-woven with everything else (since memory space was not protected on a per app basis)
WHY do you bring up Default Folder as an example of problem software??? IT'S NOT AN UNSANITY PRODUCT?????
Laziness breeds inability - IMO part of the problem is all the spoon-fed users (aka Microsoft type users) hand held - spoon fed - coddled users.
A computer is not a washing machine and shouldn't be treated as such there is a certain level of complexity and intricacy that exists in using a computer and software. hand-held, babied users are dumb users that are deprived the skills to deal with computer related problems when they DO happen and sorry OS X is not perfect and even with NO mods it still screws up -(nature of the best) A user SHOULD have to know how it works and how to deal with it... I deal with +30 clients and while I am happy they pay my bills it is irritating to see the same mistakes and problems over and over and simple ones that I repeatedly try to teach them... hey if they want to throw money at me I'll take it but jesus some people are dumb. I had hoped OS X with the unix side would force users to become a little more computer literate... and it has raised the proverbial bar so to speak but not enough and OS X promotes this it's easy to use be a lazy dumb user attitude that computers are perfect and never have problems... then when they do users can't understand why and don't accept that it does happen.
users put items in the trash and never empty then wonder why they have no room left on the machine... ever see how os x behaves when it has no disk space left? no mods and it freeks out.
they save files willy nilly with no care or conscience of where they save them - then call me asking where it is... I ask what they named it and they don't recall so I am supposed to search for a file they lost and have no idea what it's called.
This is the very user that needs to learn a little and too many are created every day - leave this type of user to the Wintel world let mac users be a step above they always have and sadly they are becoming more and more complacent like the wintel user drones hand-held, bottle fed zombies that flip the switch ... sorry it doesn't work that way - at least not yet and maybe not ever.
before you had automatic transmission in cars and "dummy" or "idiot" lights (ever wonder why they call them that?) you had to know something about the car to use it - you had to know how to shift and use a clutch how to fill the radiator with water how to change the oil........... etc......... and those users are better for it than the "idiot" light staring morons of today that don't even know they need to change the oil! only reason they know to put gas in is cause it wont move without it.
All these are the very reasons the rest of the world looks down on us Americans as lazy self absorbed people hell bent on comforts and luxury. God forbid we learn something along the way.
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Friday, August 29 2003 @ 09:54 AM PDT