sigh! - not all things are as they appear... Just because it sits in you menu DOES NOT MAKE IT A MENU EXTRA! there are several ways of getting things in the menu bar. as has been pointed out several times now. MENU EXTRAS ARE... the official way of adding a menu to the right side of the menu... You can tell a true menu extra because you can drag it around and change the location as with the apple menu extras. Others have other means such as the PTH apps like PTH volume or clock or the ASM menu you can't move these around by dragging and they can't be removed by command dragging from the menu. What APPLE HAS IN DEED Blocked is the type of menu extra APPLE uses that one being the one preffered method. This haxie allows anyone to use the method any way. sheesh can we move on now?