Hey jeffcgd , the *real* problem with my machine is OW. I have 4 Macs my the house (two are mine - desk & laptop, 1 the wife's, 1 the kid), all on the same cable network, 2 using Office v.X and Quicken 2002 Deluxe. The other 2 are completely stock machines running OS X with the exception of the games on the kids Mac. They all make OW quit. The problem is with compatibility preference when set to identify itself as IE 5.5 for Windows (needs this for my banking online). When this is set to OW, I don't have the crashing problem, so my rating stays the same.