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Tinderbox

Tinderbox - 4.7.1

Personal content management assistant.

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Current Version: 4.7.1
Release Date: 2009-07-21
License: Update
Downloads (this version): 1,130
Downloads (all versions): 29,501
Price: $229.00

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Tinderbox ReviewDusty - Version: 4.7.1, 7/21/2009 02:56PM PST

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dressed2kell
This thing feels ooooooooold! PPC (rosetta only)? Wow!
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Tinderbox ReviewExtremely versatile ... but doesn't support Unicode - Version: 4.5.3, 4/1/2009 02:36PM PST

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StoneGroper
This software is as much a power-user toolkit as it is an end-user application. It can be very simple and elegant to use as an outliner and mind mapper. But it is also suited for highly complex tasks. It has many unique and obscure features that delight faithful power users populating the developer's "geeky" discussion forums. Though responses are prompt and helpful, non-programmers may feel intimidated about asking "obvious" questions. Unfortunately, despite the software's appeal, as of v. 4.5.3 and v. 4.6.1 it still is not universal binary, resulting occasionally in strange glitches running under Rosetta on a late-model Intel MacBook Pro. Even more unfortunate, Tinderbox does not fully support Unicode, which means it's virtually useless for working with Chinese, Japanese, Hebrew and dozens of other languages.
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Tinderbox ReviewGreat upgrade: much improved speed, flexibility - Version: 4.6.1, 3/18/2009 04:09PM PST

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foaf
If you've held off on updating for a while, this version gives you several good reasons to take the plunge, including much improved speed and some fine-tuning in the agent and rule syntax. And given the current macroeconomic situation, this is a great opportunity to help your friendly neighborhood artisanal software designer weather the storm!
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Tinderbox ReviewThe docs haven't been updated - Version: 4.6, 3/13/2009 08:57AM PST

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Pygmalion
Great new version with extended capabilities. Unfortunately the only thing that was updated in the manual was the version number on the cover. Bravo for trying to make Tinderbox easier and more consistent. But without complete, unified documentation, Eastgate is just making the learning curve even steeper.
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Tinderbox CommentaryTInderbox 4.6 - Version: 4.6, 3/7/2009 10:11AM PST

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demiller3228

Tinderbox 4.6 was released this week.  Tinderbox continues evolve and add new and interesting capabilities. What I find most interesting about Tinderbox is the application's usefulness across time: periodically I'm tempted by new software that claims to perform some subset of the tasks that Tinderbox performs, and/or present information in a new and better way. I'll try these applications for a short period of time...and always end up realizing that Tinderbox performs the task or presents the information more effective.

I just spent a couple of days experimenting with Zengobi Curio, for example. Curio is a beautiful application, very Mac-like and attractive to look at. I was seduce by the concept of "Idea Spaces" and so gave it a try first as a means of mapping out the strategy for an article on a product announcement and then to gather notes during a managed services discovery engagement. Some time later I was in a meeting and needed a quick means of extracting my discovery notes and sharing them with colleagues. Simply exporting the text of my notes in some useful format in Curio turned out to be more difficult than I needed it to be while in the middle of a meeting. Curio provides a number of export options, but none of them easily generated simple text output that I could paste into an email or a wiki for sharing. In contrast, the notes that I had gathered just a week or so earlier during a disaster recovery assessment using Tinderbox were easily shared with a few mouse clicks, as plain text that I could easily reuse anywhere.

A note to makers of note taking and outlining software on the Mac: just because its so easy to export everything as a PDF doesn't mean doing so is always the best thing to do.

Of course with a little bit of reflection I realized that an "Idea Space" is really just a Tinderbox map view, and that the relationships between all of the different Tinderbox views actually makes a map view more useful in many cases than Curio's Idea Spaces. That small epiphany was as transformative to my view of how I could use Tinderbox in my work as was my very first "a-ha!" moment with Tinderbox back in March of 2002:

"Now, here’s the cool part and the “aha!” moment. After we discussed what I was trying to achieve, Mark commented that I might be able to get the results I was really after not by doing any sort of HTML export, but simply by using Tinderbox’s Explorer view. It was like a light bulb went off. While I’d looked at Explorer view before, I’d never really tried to use it. A quick glance, however, revealed that Mark was right; with a little arrangement of my notes, I’d be able to easily see what feeds were being gathered by what agents, and I’d be able to navigate and read those feeds with a lot less clicking around and drilling down.

I’d been so caught up in two paradigms that I literally couldn’t see the easy solution that was right in from of me. To begin with, my propensity to always use the very graphical Map view blinded me to the other, very useful views available. Worse, my experience in recent years has been very server oriented, primarily using things like PHP and MySQL, so I naturally gravitated toward an implementation scheme that worked in a similar manner, blind to the fact that Tinderbox is a client application."

This sort of thing happens to me all the time with Tinderbox. Seven years after I had my first epiphany that if I just saw the software this way I would significantly transform my view and use of this particular tool I'm still regularly having that sort of experience with Tinderbox. I can't think of a single other piece of software I've been using for any length of time that I've had that experience with.

Don't get me wrong, Curio seems well-written and sophisticated, and may be just the thing for some people. Certainly I'm more familiar and facile with Tinderbox after years of use than I am with Curio after only a few days - but to some extent, that's my point. Across the years Tinderbox has continued to be so amazingly useful and well-adapted to my work that any software that might be positioned to displace it will need to be a order of magnitude better at what it does and how it does it.
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Tinderbox ReviewTinderbox BC - Version: 4.5.3, 10/23/2008 04:43PM PST

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jarlaxle.merc

I excitedly purchased this application sometime around late 2004, early 2005. At the time Tinderbox proved to be a useful tool. Fast forward some three and a half years and the only sizable change is the price. The current version of Tinderbox isn't worth the upgrade amount much less the sticker price. Tinderbox has a knack for making less progress than a slippery snake on an ice rink.

Tinderbox is still as visually unappealing as it was over three and a half years ago. The Tinderbox interactive experience was more palatable back then, possibly because OS X was going through it's own aesthetic growing pains and Apple had yet to sever all memorable ties to OS 9 due to the Classic Environment. In addition to a modernized application icon I believe Tinderbox has blessed map views with a shape or two and maybe added a bevel or drop shadow effect here and there, but overall this is the pinnacle "Windows 95" experience available on the Mac today.

At the (June) 2005 WWDC Apple announced their move to Intel Microprocessors. Since then WWDC 2006, 2007, and 2008 have come and gone, meanwhile Tinderbox still only runs under Rosetta, Apple's dynamic translator. Rosetta enables applications compiled for PowerPC processors (e.g., G3, G4, G5) to run on Apple systems that use Intel processors. Apparently Adobe isn’t the biggest putz on the block, as previously crowned.

According to the TInderbox site, a Windows port of Tinderbox is currently underway. Anyone with experience using cross-platform products knows that there are few (if any) exceptions to the guaranteed, third-rate experience. Cross-platform applications are generally only as good as the greatest common factors (amongst OSes) allow. In other words the bar for highest quality across all platforms is lowered to the level of maximum capability of the worst constituent, and guess who usually ends up with the short end of the stick on this one.

These are glaring indications that the antiquated Tinderbox has no plans other than to remain thus. Long gone is any hope that Tinderbox will harness the insight of user experiences (along with that of it’s developers) and leverage the improved capabilities of underlying technologies (e.g., OS X 10.5) to advance the (now stale) ingenuity of what has become “Bummerbox 4.5”. All prospective improvements and innovations of Tinderbox features have been neglected in favor of producing overpriced books and chintzy ports.

The only remaining critical acclaim for Tinderbox is in regard to the incredible level of success their sales department has achieved. For despite an inability to hoodwink most people into buying such winkware, there was still enough talent to get the developers to buy into it.

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Tinderbox CommentaryWhy no release notes on VT? - Version: 4.2.4, 4/28/2008 11:51PM PST

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tod3
Once again this developer ignores the convention of posting "What's new In This Version" release notes on Version Tracker.

I do not want to go clicking here and there trying to locate release notes by visiting any developer's site. I want to see what's new right here in VT.

Why are some developers so cavalier in their attitude to potential customers? They don't care.
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Tinderbox ReviewThe Woody Allen of Outliners! - Version: 4.2, 3/16/2008 04:49PM PST

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asaffer--2008
Tinderbox is a bit like Woody Allen: kinda funny-looking, unconventional, but significantly more witty, deep and brilliant than any other comedy writer!

Tinderbox's mind-map interface is more flexible and powerful than MindManager or Scrivener, it's outliner is more powerful than OmniOutliner, and it's searches and resulting actions are more powerful than OS X itself!

The customer support from the developer is superb. Mark is a considerate genius.

The trade-offs are that the interface looks pre-OS X, and the learning curve is steep.

I resisted using it (and buying it) for a long time, and instead used Circus Ponies Notebook, OmniOutliner Pro, Inspiration, MindManager, and Scrivener. I don't use any of them anymore, now that I have Tinderbox, and I'm certain that I'm still only using 40% of the features.

The price is offensive ONLY UNTIL YOU USE IT. I could not imagine making films without Final Cut, which is expensive but incomparable. I could not imaging retouching photos without Photoshop, which is expensive but incomparable. And I couldn't imagine drafting everything from complex email replies to short films to university presentations without Tinderbox.

It is more than 'expensive but incomparable.' It is more than best-in-class. It is best in a number of classes.

It is the best textual content organiser on any platform.
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Tinderbox CommentaryFast, reliable, and highly versatile - in a class of its own - Version: 4.0.1, 9/27/2007 01:36PM PST

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sumnerg
This is highly versatile software in a class of its own. It's not easy to figure out all that it can do, but it is well worth it for those willing to start simply, and gradually plumb its depths. Fast and reliable on Macs old and new alike.
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Tinderbox CommentaryStill No Universal Binary or Leopard Ready Version - Version: 4.0.1, 9/20/2007 12:10PM PST

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MAC_1984
Leopard is fast upon us, and no Universal Binary version or mention of a Leopard ready version. Great application, but becoming sorely dated in relationship to operating systems.

Click on Leopard (10.5) above in the VersionTracker header and you will see the Leopard list exponentially growing.
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